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motives that might have been in play there. >> we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. parents are having to explain to their kids how they can go to church and feel safe. and that's not something we ever thought we'd deal with. >> there's a lot to do in this case. we have a lot more investigation to do to find out why this happened. he was stopped because a citizen alerted law enforcement to a suspicious activity. they knew once they arrived there it was the individual we were looking for. >> at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence doesn't happen in other countries, it doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. and it is in our power to do something about it. >> in this great country, we hold sacred the places where people come and practice their faiths. so the arrest of this awful man
is for all of us in this community and our country to begin the necessary process of our healing together. >> when you think about the preparation now that these families have to make. who steps back in the church, when, how. >> the attack happened inside the emanuel african methodist episcopal church. known to many as simply mother emanuel. it's one of the oldest and largest black congregations in the country. dr. martin luther king jr. even spoke there. dylann roof is now in custody. he made no effort to conceal himself after the attack. he told survivors to tell his story so everyone would know what he did. the victims include reverend
clementa pinckney tywanza sanders and cynthia hurd. the charleston coroner is about to release additional victim names. we will take you there live when that happened. craig melvin is in charleston. craig, such an emotional day. it's tough to really put into words at this point. it hits close to you as well. the only positive news today is that the suspect was caught. how did police track him down? >> reporter: that's an excellent question. we're still learning more information about that. we do know that the 21-year-old was taken into custody in shelby north carolina. shelby it's about four hours north of where we are right now in charleston. it's a city that sits east of charleston. law enforcement officials say officers noticed something suspicious about the car. he was driving a hyundai. they pulled him over and took him into custody without incident. i'm told that he is in the process of being brought back here. i can also tell you that this is
a 21-year-old that doesn't just have a criminal record, but has a recent criminal record. there was a drug charge earlier this year also a trespassing charge from earlier this year as well. that's about all we know about the suspect at this point. as you indicated, this is a communicate that is very much in mourning. here's the thing about the mourning happening in charleston. this is a city that has been in mourning for several months now. this of course the same city sent reeling after the walter scott murder case. that shooting not 4 miles from where i understand right now. but it has been good to see so many vigils so many prayer services being held, not just here in charleston, but all over the state as well. >> craig melvin in charleston for us. we'll be back with you throughout the show. let's head now to dave wagner, also in charleston. walk us through what happened last night that ultimately led
to such a tragic ending. >> reporter: well, it started -- i apologize for my voice. it started around an hour, maybe 8:00 or so, an hour before the actual shootings when the suspect, according to police, went to the church asked to speak to the senior pastor there, and then sat down with the bible study group. so he sat with them for an hour. and then an hour later, ended uptaking their lives. he shot eight people. an additional person taken to the hospital. that person died as well. i did obtain a picture, we interviewed just a short while ago, a man named malcolm graham. malcolm is a former north carolina state senator. he lost his sister in the shootings here. i want to show you a picture of her to get a sense of what a vibrant woman she was.
her name was cynthia hurd. she was a librarian here in charleston. she also worked for the charleston housing authority. when they're mother died she became kind of the maternal person in the family. they really looked up to her. she was the mother hen of a group of boys. i think it's important as we take a look at the picture of the suspect to know the human toll that he took nine really vibrant people nine people who were really important to their families and very important to this community as well. you mentioned the pastor of the church the senior pastor who was not only a prominent member of this community, he was a prominent member of the state senate. passed important lenlgislations. people here miss him tremendously. just been less than 24 hours. >> it's just so heartbreaking.
it's been a long 12 hours. thank you for being with us. let's bring in retired chief lenny depaul as well as former fbi profiler. thank you both for being with us. lenny, i'll start with you, the suspect was caught 200 plus miles away. and wasn't surprised when he was -- or i guess didn't put up a fight at that point. does that suggest that he wanted to get caught? >> certainly sends that type of message to law enforcement. i know they did a great job with video they got and photos and getting that out to the community, to the public. they certainly enhanced that license plate so they were able to do a bolo be on the lookout for the vehicle. they saw a suspicious car, pulled it over. i don't know if he wanted to get caught but he certainly didn't have a good plan to escape or try to stay out there.
>> yeah. clint, one of the most chilling details here is that this killer sat among the congregation for an hour and got to see them there worshipping, studying scripture before he opened fire ultimately murdering nine of them. what does that tell you about the mind of this person? >> yeah, you know this is a different type of killer in some ways. i mean, we've all -- in this country, we've been through virginia tech sandy hook the a error ra colorado movie theater, we've been through the d.c. navy yard shooting. as the president who has chuck todd today has had to tell the nation over a dozen times about a mass shooting. you know one more time we've had the hearts of thousands of millions of americans broken by the actions of one. and this one, he -- as you say, he went in and he sat down with
these dozen or so people. he sat next to the pastor. he listened to these people go through the bible. they poured out their hearts one might imagine. he listened to the pastor a wonderful, bright articulate man lead that study. and still, there was something in him, this terrible man on a mission. we're told he reloaded five different times. so he came prepared to carry out this terrible act. and he got to know his victims and he still killed them one at a time. just like slaying of the lambs. >> clint, he's reported to have said on the scene that he had to do this because, quote, you rain our women and you're taking over our country. in that i hear sort of two classic hallmarks of racist thinking that white women must be protected from the black savages and that we must protect white people in general from
black people trying to dominate the country. >> and yet you look at his victims, the majority of his victims were women. where does that play into -- into that philosophy. you know this -- this is that same type of hate philosophy we hear from different groups around the country. we know, for example, south carolina has more than its share of groups that have been identified as hate groups or racially oriented groups one way or the other. but this individual is only 21 years old. when you look at you and me we're a product of her redty and environment. so you have to say, how did that play into this individual? and in those 21 short years, how did he develop such a hatred that he would go into a room full of human beings and attempt to kill every one of them. >> yeah. and that point goes to the motivations of the individual when lenny, you know from a law
enforcement perspective matters a great deal, both to tracking them down and also to what the crime itself is. we know it's a terrible homicide but in addition you heard us play in the beginning of the broadcast the attorney general talk about it as a hate crime. of course the police chief down there has said that as well. one problem is, if they're going to prosecute this at a local level, south carolina is only one of five states in the country that doesn't have a law against state crimes. >> absolutely. this i don't want to say kid he's 21 years old, he's on bail from some narcotics violation. he gets a .45 caliber gun for his birthday. that's folks at home that maybe should have thought twice. from my perspective, we see a crime, we see nine people killed and we want to get that person in custody sooner than later. >> thanks for being with us. the charleston coroner is now
speaking. let's listen to that. >> there's obviously been a lot of media coverage and i'm sure you're all aware that this terrible incident occurred at emanuel ame church down on calhoun street yesterday even as a group of parishioners gathered there for a bible study. the suspect entered the group and was accepted by them as they believed he wanted to join them in this bible study. after joining them for some period of time he obviously became very aggressive and violent and it resulted in the deaths of these nine individuals. i know much has been said about a number of them and many of you may know some of them. may know all of them. others you may not be aware of. so this -- i want to take this opportunity to formally release the names of these individuals. and i appreciate again your
support. i appreciate the support of the employees behind me who worked with a couple of these individuals actually were or had been county employees. i appreciate our administrator joining us and chairman of council. we join -- we all join in the sadness reflected in the community and these families. these names are being released in no specific order. but i will just go through them and the first name is cynthia hurd. she was a 54-year-old lady who was currently employed in charleston county as the branch manager for st. andrews regional library. and obviously we're all shattered by that and she'll be missed deeply. the next individual is susie jackson, 87 years of anyone. another individual e them lance, 70 years of age. reverend depane middleton, 49
years of age. and he retired from charleston county in 2005 where she was a director of the community development block grant program. the next individual is honorable reverend leclementa pinckney. the next individual is tywanza sanders, 26 years of age. the next is reverend daniel simmons senior 74 years of age. he did not die at the church but was transported to the hospital where he later died in the operating room. the next individual is reverend sharonda singleton, 45 years of age. and the last name is myra
thompson, 59 years of age. obviously, you've been following the investigation. i'm sure you're aware that the suspect has been arrested and charged. and of course the judicial system will move through the normal processes from here forward. in terms of my end of the investigation, we will be continuing our investigation through many means to include autopsy. each one of the individuals will undergo an autopsy which is important in cases such as this particularly when we're talking about criminal cases. and while those autopsies are not expected to provide us any real new information, it's important to the process. it is based on our immediate observation and the report of what happened it is obvious
that these individuals all suffered gunshot wounds and as a result those individuals died. i do not have at this time any ideas about how the memorial services and plans by the families will go. as you can imagine, they are still very much in shock and deep grief over these losses. i've spent a great deal of time with them throughout the night as well as my staff. and i have to tell you they're the most gracious group of grieving individuals i've had, i hate to say the pleasure to serve, but it's been a pleasure to deal with such strong wonderful people in the face of such a tragedy. for each it is customary following autopsy each individual family will choose a funeral home or whatever their wishes are and they will make the arrangements for their loved
one per their family's decisions. at this time i have no information for any plans for anything other thatten that. that may be forthcoming but i'm not knowledgeable about that at this time. are there any simple questions i can answer? and i say simple because the investigation is very complex. it involves many many agencies. not only does it involve city police department sheriff's office of course has been a supporting agency there. but very large portion of the investigation is being conducted by s.l.e.d. and fbi's been present since last night and when i left them to come here all of those entities were still very much involved in the investigation. >> is there any initial way -- [ inaudible question ] >> actually there's very little
to add other than what i have said. it's obvious from the initial investigation that the gunman opened fire and all of these individuals suffered wounds that resulted in their deaths. i'm not able -- it would be inappropriate at this time to get into more detail about the investigation. as that proceeds and as it's deemed appropriate to the process, that information, those details will be made available as we work together as a team meaning charleston city police s.l.e.d. and my office. yes, ma'am? [ inaudible question ] >> at this point that would be a premature conjecture on my part and it would not be appropriate either to try to speculate about something like that. [ inaudible question ] i think it's fair to say that that's true. i really honestly at this time could not tell you who or how
many. but i think it's fair to say that that is certainly the case at least for some. any other questions -- [ inaudible question ] >> at this time we would be very premature to discuss such detail. but i understand that people certainly interested. this being -- involving so many individuals, it's quite complicated to go through the process in a way to deal with each one very individually and not impact the overall process. i do ask that you be patient and help those that you know and who are sharing in this grief to understand that this process is going to be fairly lengthy. even for my side.
we typically -- we're typically perhaps deal with one case or maybe even two. in a case such as this with not only the numbers but thel not be usual in the sense that we will not -- it would be unfair to say to you that you should expect that all these individuals will be released to a funeral home by tomorrow because we can't do the process justice and do it correctly. cutting corners or getting in a hurry. it's going to take time just like processing the scene throughout the night has taken a lot of time. the next processes are going to be lengthy too. i ask that you bear with us. it's in no way because we're dragging our feet. but rather that we want to be so very particular and anticipate any potential problems that could arise from -- from ever getting in a hurry or
misstepping. >> we've been listening to the coroner for charleston and discussing the cause of the deaths there. we want to turn to north carolina where i believe we have an ongoing press conference where the suspect was arrested and detain the. let's listen into that. >> all the agencies involved in this investigation here on site to work through the process of getting mr. roof back to south carolina. i would like to add that this has been a great representation of what teamwork can accomplish. through the cooperation of law enforcement, the community, and the media, this suspect was apprehended. we do appreciate the cooperations of our law enforcement partners especially the community for calling information in as they seen it. our local district attorney's office as well as the u.s. attorney's office. at this time, i'll turn you over to special agent in charge john
strong. >> good afternoon. my name is john strong i'm the special agent in charge of the federal bureau of investigation in north carolina. fist i'd like to start off by thanking the chief and his staff with the shelby police department and for their fine efforts and investigative work which captured this suspect this morning, eliminating a threat to the community as well as saving the government tens of thousands of dollars it would have taken to track this individual down if they had not done so. i'd also like to thank the local prosecutors office here and the u.s. attorney's office who has worked with us on this matter. the fbi has initiated an investigation into this matter which we are working jointly with state and local partners to determine if a federal hate crime has been committed. i know that you have lots of
questions today that i will not be able to answer because it is onion going investigation. the most important point is this subject is now in custody. the immediate threat to the community no longer exists. and we'll let the legal process run its course. there are no longer any lives at risk. any other -- any other information on this investigation will come from the law enforcement authorities who work in charleston south carolina. thank you. >> chief, is he still here? >> we have been listening there live to a press conference in north carolina where the suspect in this charleston shooting was captured and detained. we heard police there talk about that ongoing investigation which includes federal authorities. we want to turn now back to charleston where craig melvin and thomas roberts have been
reporting for us throughout the day. craig, i know you grew up in this community. we just heard basically two press conferences back to back in the two states affected from the coroner's office talking about how the victims' families have been strong and dignified during this terrible time and from the police there where this suspect is now detain the. the reaction on the ground in charleston craig? >> the reaction shortly thereafter this morning when i arrived, you could sense this community was breathing this collective sigh of relief. there was not a press conference in columbia, south carolina. but i can update you on the investigation that's happening there in the state's capital. the 21-year-old suspect lived in that community, in the lexington county richland county area. his father's house where he is thought to have lived or sent the lion's share of his time.
that house i'm being told is being treated as a crime scene right now. investigators combing through the father's home to see if they can get anymore information any clues as to why he might stand up and open fire and killing nine. >> craig, i know you've lived and worked in this community and i want to work with you to help give the folks some of the history of this church. robert green who's at the university of south carolina and studies the 20th century south has written, this is not just a church it's also a symbol of black freedom. it's a church that represents so much about the rich history and tradition of african-americans in charleston. to that point, one of the founders was denmark vissi who was a massive figure in black history who organized a major slave uprising that happened to fail.
booker t. washington spoke there in 1909. dr. king spoke there in 1962. this is not just a church. this is a massive symbol for this town and for the south in general. >> there are a lot of black churches in south carolina. and i would argue that in charleston per capita perhaps more an any other city in the state. this wasn't just a black church. this isn't just a black church. this is the black church in charleston as you indicated. you cannot understate the impact that this church has had. not just on this community. burned to the ground once during slavery. it was rebuilt. in recent years, it has become like a lot of black churches especially in south carolina, it has become the stop for presidential wannabes.
this is where scott king back in 1969 after the death of her husband, this is where she planned a march and rally. marchs and rallies have been planned out of this church for nearly 200 years. the first time i came was on a field trip in the third grade. you study south carolina history, you go on a number of field trips around the state. this is where they brought us. this is that kind of church. all that being said you get every impression that this is going to be one of those situations that does not divide this community, that does not divide this church. this is going to be something that likely pulls them even closer together. >> yeah. thomas, we did learn just a few moments ago more from the charleston county coroner about the victims, their names ages. wide ranging ages from 26 years old to susie jackson gunned down
at age 87. some of them sounded like they were prominent community members. talk about what a loss to this community these individuals will be. >> i think most of the people would know that most of the people that are coming are pillars of the community. and they are a true reflection of the community of charleston that were meeting at this church behind us. i think while it is hot here in charleston today -- i don't know if you can hear there's a flare up on the corner behind us. there's a lot of interest in this section. but i think people are impressed by the speed at which the investigators have been able to pull this suspect, take him into custody. the surveillance picture that came out this morning between 6:00 and 7:00 of dylann roof. and the tip line was opened up. the investigators were able to go through these tips. it was one of those tips that led investigators to find dylann roof inside his vehicle. by 11:21 this morning, we had the information that he was in
custody. that's rapid knowing that now, as you point out, at just 3:00 we got the update on the identities of those that were lost behind under the circumstances. we look at the timeline of how quickly this went down. the investigation has moved along very quickly. a lot of questions remain about what his motivations were. at the same time while we've heard from nikki haley, joe riley, the mayor, the charleston south carolina police chief about this being so personal but there is resolve for the community to move on. first, boy, they got to get through a lot of grief. this is the black church the most historic black church south of baltimore. this is a fracture a terrible insult, a terrible injury to this community, especially the reverend having such a legacy here as a state senator and a major voice for so long in this community. >> craig, go ahead and speak to that. we've heard a bit today about the pastor the state senator
clementa pinckney, i know this is someone you knew. he was so much more than the pastor and state senator. he was a friend he was a mentor. he was someone that always stepped up to serve. how will he be remembered? >> 41 years old. he was a young father of two girls. when he was elected at the age of 23 to the lower chamber here in south carolina at that time he was the youngest person ever elected to statewide office here in the palmetto state. a lot of folks thought that his political career was going to be meteor rick. for all practical intents and purposes it was. he had been a senator for the past ten years. but his career in the ame church that's the career that has really started to take cough here. that also seemed to be the part of his life to which he was more
committed. he enjoyed being a politician. he liked being a lawmaker, but he loved being a pastor. i interviewed him a number of time when is i worked in columbia. he was taller than you. always looked him in the eye. very soft spoken. always very thoughtful. and thoughtful in the literal sense. you would ask him a question and he would pause to think before he responded. in recent weeks and months, he of course had been one of the most outspoken advocates for a bill introduced in the wake of the walter scott shooting here a bill that would require police officers in the state to wear body cameras. that had been -- that had become his new cause here in south carolina. but pinckney is -- he is going to be missed. he was just one of those guys you'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't like him. >> i appreciate you saying that craig. we were just covering the coroner's press conference.
we're just learning here officially all of the information or names about the victims, learning a little bit about them as we cover a tragic mass murder like this is important. i want to ask you both on the ground the views of law enforcement in this. when i talk and interview folks in law enforcement they say it often feels like when the news media shows up there's an emphasis when things go wrong or mistakes made. we saw all kinds of allegations or concerns around the walter scott shooting in that state. this seems to be a situation where we have seen local law enforcement in two states along with the fbi work very well together to deal swiftly with a very scary situation to make this arrest and to move forward. is that your sense on the ground? >> yeah. but i also think there's an advantage here too. i don't think the advantage can be understated. you have a community here that's had a mayor that has sevened longer than i've been alive. the south carolina law
enforcement division has a reputation for being very effective. and you also unfortunately have a communicate that has become somewhat used to crisis. we've been talking about the walter scott shooting in just the past month or two. this is a law enforcement community dealing with that. and then seven or eight years ago, not quite to the today, there was this massive fire here in charleston where the city lost nearly -- lost roughly a dozen firefighters if i remember correctly. all that being said you've got a number of officials that are used to crisis management. a number of officials that are used to working across agencies as well because they've been doing it together for 20 30 years. >> i think with the media showing up there is going to be a fine line in the suspect that needs to be paid to those that were lost behind us. a lot of people certainly on social media would like us to refer to the alleged suspect in
this as a terrorist, someone who went in there to sit with these people and to take their lives in a completely heinous act is what is alleged. we have to remember that they were wanting us to get out the image of the alleged shooter by surveillance cameras capturing his image. in a matter of hours, media was able to help i think, in making people aware of who this young man is and his whereabouts. it really is a rapid speed. we were on the scene around 9:00 last night to report on what had taken place here. by 6:00 7:00 a.m. following morning having that image. and then by 11:21 having the confirmation that he was apprehended. and then the president coming out an hour later to talk about his reflections of the re rand that they send their sympathies to the family of the reverend and outline those lost.
i think people are impressed with certainly the investigators and the forces to apprehend the suspect in this. >> thomas we also heard from south carolina governor nikki haley earlier today saying that south carolina woke up to a nightmare this morning. and a very real -- a very emotional moment for her. let's take a listen to that. >> we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. parents are having to explain to their kids how they can go to church and feel safe and that's not something we ever thought we'd deal with. >> thomas anyone who has spent time in south carolina knows how strong the faith-based community is there. and the reality is now you have parents that are having to tell their kids that it is still safe to go to church. this is a place where many people go to find peace today. >> yeah, that's exactly what
nikki haley talked about. in the moments she spoke, that was right after the confirmation at 11:21 that they were able to apprehend dylann roof. she stepped up to the microphone. i think most people were impressed by the fact that she showed up first and because of that statement, we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. she brought up how do we tell our kids where we go to pray the most sacred places is safe. i think she not only speaks to that as the governor but as a mother, as a person who cares about what's happening in her state now. but she was a part of the other elect the officials that attended i think five different prayer services. there's another one tomorrow night. >> the governor also served with reverend pinckney as well in the state senate. their terms overlapped. she is from orangeburg which is not that far from where we stand
right now. she also like reverend pinckney she has two girls, she has two daughters. i think what we saw from governor haley was not just the emotion of an elected official but the emotion of a mother. it is going to be very interesting to see how all of this plays out in the next few weeks and months with regards to the inevitable conversation that we always have when a shooting like this happens. we had the conversation after newtown. we have the conversation after a war. we'll probably have some verification of the conversation here. but this is south carolina. i can tell you as someone who grew up here people in this state, they love their guns. so i -- i do not suspect that this is going to lead to some sort of drastic change in gun control measures in the palmetto state. >> we had this conversation and a lot of people said then if a
congressperson is almost assassinated at a super market on their corner when they go out to do a meet and greet and congress doesn't do anything that it's never going to get done. the president brought that up today in his remarks. we'll see if that ever happens. >> apparently though, that will never be forgotten. thanks so much for being with us. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be back right after this. hi, my name is cliff. i'm tom. my name is eric. and i help make beneful. i help make beneful. i help make beneful. after working here, there's no other food i'd feed my pets. each ingredient is tested by our own quality insurance people. i see all the quality data
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negotiator. the suspect has been captured. he is in prison in a jail in another state. what happens next? >> well, we'll have a removal hearing to say he's the person that south carolina wants for their murder warrants. he'll be identified by south carolina authorities, you know through the court there. and then he'll be brought back. same thing is done in the federal charge but then he'll be brought back to south carolina. >> let's walk through that process. we have a suspect now that will be interrogated likely locally before they bring him back. what can you tell us based on the profile of what we do know whether this is someone who is likely to talk more what kinds of things authorities are hoping to garner? >> i think he was talking from the beginning. he was talking during the murders. these are the vulgar actions of a guy who is basically an inspired killer. he's not much different than an inspired isis killer. he's just inspired by the white
hate movement by the white hate on the web. he wants the motive well-known but he thought he could slip away. when the detectives and agents are talking to him, he's pretty much telling them what he did. he's not a mental case in my view. he's very typical of the talk we got from these guys in these kind of cases for years. >> you talk about him potentially being inspired by the white hate online. i went on one of those hate group's message boards earlier. it was unbelievable the sort of things and their twisted world view. we think a lot about the way that islamic terrorists are inspired by online propaganda. do you think that that online inspiration could have happened here as well? >> that's exactly what it is. i worked with these guys for 40 years. they constantly read these web pages. they talk among themselves. they're extremely hate-filled,
bigoted. i'm sure he's googled the church and targeted that church just like the ku klux klan targeted a charge at the heart of the movement. it's calculated. it's planned. he wanted to do it. when we talk about mass shootings, we're missing the point when we talk about tucson virginia tech. those are different types of shootings. this is the guy shooting up the temple up in the midwest. this is lots of guys where we've interrupted their plot were going to shoot up a school full of african-american children or shoot up a jewish school. this is hate inspired and acted on hate. it's not mental illness. >> and jim, talk to us about the profile difference of someone
that is a lone wolf, that does this on his own and someone that would work with others to do something like this. >> yeah, it's a great question. just imagine someone who gets up every day and all they talk about is this kind of stuff. that's all they read about is this kind of stuff. that's all their associates talk about is this kind of stuff. you know is their family tolerant and they broke away and went with hate. that happens sometimes. sometimes their family is intolerant and this talk a always afoot. but it's their constant life. what he said to the survivors in this shooting is what you see all the time from white hate. when people start talking about a whole group of people are involved in rape that's bigotry. that kind of talk is bigotry. where does he get that? he gets that from the webs and associates. he's inspired. he believes he's doing right. he probably still has the gun.
it was a birthday present. we haven't found out yet if the officers have recovered the weapon. if they have i'd say this case is pretty tight. no doubt the atf has traced it if they have it. he's 21 years old, so he can have a handgun if he doesn't have a felony record. >> let's bring in the director of the black law enforcement alliance. black people experience hate crimes far more often than any other group of people in this country and by far the deep south as a region leads in hate groups. south carolina has 19 hate groups on its own. those trend lines, what we've heard today, what are your thoughts? all right. we lost marquez. let's go back to jim. the same question to you. black people experience more hate crimes than any other group.
the deep south leads america in terms of regions in terms of having hate groups. your thoughts on how that feeds into all this. >> yeah, it's exactly right. i never thought we'd see this kind of climate in the country you know in the '70s when i started policing in the south, we were getting off the '60s, the feeling was that's the past it's behind us, those groups mean nothing. they were still there. we worked on them. but the public feeling was changing. to be in the climate where we got in the '90s where we had the church bombings and arsons. i've been to so many of these african-american churches. i mean it was like i was a traveling preacher going to all these churches but they were under attack. not only in the '90s, but in 2006, we had them across the south. just the people in these churches were so great. they were just the foundation of america. so talk with them and have the
chance to work with them. and the fact they were under attack was so vulgar. this attack this is like the 16th street church. >> marquez -- >> sorry. >> i'm sorry. marquez, i want to bring you in as we see new video of the suspect being taken away. marquez, it's a seminal attack as jim said on a symbolic and historic church. your thoughts on this day? >> i think jim has covered so much of what makes this so important from a historical perspective and how significant it is. i think it's important for us to really be vigilant in attempting to identify those individuals in our communities those individuals in a larger and broader communicate that pose a threat to others and to be especially sensitive to hate crime pacts. acts against individuals because of the color of their skin ethnicity or religion.
i think vigilance is really the key here. i don't foresee a time where we can eliminate this type of ignorance, hatred or violence unfortunately. i think it's important for those of us who care for the larger community to remain vigilant in dealing with these issues. >> we are looking at new video of the suspect, dylann roof being loaded into a police car there. you talk about -- there he is on the screen being taken away by law enforcement. marquez, you talk about finding these ugly parts, these ugly corners of our society. do you think someone like this individual would have -- would have said something to his friends, to his family members, to the people around him about -- about his plans or about his hateful world view? >> that's very likely that there were individuals in his immediate circle well aware of what his thoughts were in regards to race or religion et
cetera. without a doubt, i'm sure there are people as you expand away from that circle you'll find more people who had a sense, who thought it was possible. but i think those people will be around. i'll tell you what's really severely troubling about this, another issue here, is the age of this assailant. the age, because many people have thought for a long period of time that these things -- we were beyond this you know the church bombings, if you will. the violence perpetrated against individuals, you know, against black individuals, against religious institutions et cetera. we should be really concerned about the age. 21-year-old who harbored this much anger and hatred enough to murder nine people. that's something that needs to be examined as well. and what are his social contacts beyond the obvious. there may be a nest of
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before, from flames from an earthquake, from other dark times, to give hope to generations of charles stonians. with our prayers and love and the buoyancy of hope it will rise again now. >> earlier the nation's highest profile attorney announced a federal hate crime investigation. >> i want to be clear, the individual who committed these acts will be found and will face justice. we will do everything in our power to help heel this community and make it hole again. >> let's take you now to the white house. and msnbc political correspondent casey hunt. what's the reaction there. >> good afternoon, president obama gave a pretty emotional statement here at the white house briefing room before taking off for california where he has some scheduled fund-raisers. we know he's been on the phone with some leaders in south carolina he called south carolina governor nicki haley from air force one.
he expressing both personal condolences to those families talking about in a very personal way his own relationship with the pastor who was killed but then also talking about it in a broader context, bringing up gun control and the fact that there have been so many mass shootings, 20 mass shootings since he took office he's had to make 14 statements like he did today from the briefing room in tragic situations like this one. he said the american people are going to have to grapple with the idea that we have more shootings in this nation. that's because anyone can have access to a gun. he also acknowledged that the politics of this issue are still extraordinarily difficult and the white house is not saying that they think they can move legislation that would implement gun control on capitol hill. you remember the last time we had a sustained debate in this country was in the wake of the
new town shootings. we ultimately ended up with a background check that failed in the senate. >> casey, thank you for that report. let's bring in jimmy williams who knows this community well. nice to see you, jimmy. >> much has been said already about the historic significance of what's called mother emmanuel i was researching earlier, even the location of this church was historically significant, in an ugly way. it was built on calhoun street which used to be called boundary street, because it was the dividing line between the white and black part of the city. how much does that ugly racial history still hang over charleston. >> it gets even -- there's another story behind it once they changed it to calhoun street obviously, that area of town is a dividing line between
two boroughs that's mizique borough and rags borough, there was a tree there called the liberty tree. the british burned down -- i'm sorry, chopped down. the reason they did, christopher gatston, the yellow flag with a snake on it don't tread on me. which you see at many of these hate rallies -- and other rallies as well i should say. they tropped that tree down because they were planning to rebell from the country. that was very very close to the site of today's mother emmanuel church, this gets even further, deeper into racial politics colonial politics. and the continuing strife if you will of what is south carolina as we know it. >> one of the things that shocked people in this moment is that this attack on folks who are having bible study in a church. and you'd think if ever there
would be sanctuary, that would be the place. history shows us that black churches in particular, have been victims of attacks throughout american history, going back through the 1800s, a lot in the 50s, a lot in the '60s, a lot in the '90s. burnings, everybody remembers the bombing that happened in birmingham, with the four little girls. this has been a site of domestic terrorism for a long time. >> that's exactly right. dr. king's mother was killed if i have my facts right, in 1975 in her church. 1975, you need to think about that for a second. black churches historically synagogues have been the same and so i think what you have -- listen, no one walks into white churches and murders white people. what that kid, that spineless little inhumane person he walked into the one place that
was supposed to be sackresanct. there's no turning back now because if you can't be safe in your church where can you be safe? i called a friend who lives three blocks from that church and i said where are you? she said i'm in my home. i said is your gun loaded she said, yes, it is. now, that is a horrible thing to have to ask someone, but a murdering kid was on the streets of charleston and had just killed 9 people we need to think about why, when where people teach children to hate each other or to hate other people because of who they are. simply who they are. >> those are exactly the conversations that we're going to have going-forward. jimmy williams thank you so much. >> thank you. that does it for us coverage continues with alex wagner right now.
breaking news this hour the man believed to be responsible for killing nine people at an historically black church has been caught. dylann was apprehended earlier today in shelbey north carolina about three and a half hours drive from charleston. at a press conference to announce the arrest nicki haley expressed the pain being felt across her state. >> we have some grieving and some pain we have to go through. you're going to see all of us try to lift these nine families up in prayer because they need us. these nine families need us the emmanuel a.m.e. church needs us the a.m.e. church family needs